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Alan Nadeau
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Username: Alan
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Post Number: 1074
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 5:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought I posted this yesterday. Apparently I previewed it and moved on without posting it. Soooo, here goes again.

Do any of you use a Brinly planter, one of the two hopper models? Mine used to give me fits about not holding planting depth and not covering well. I cured the first one last year with my own ideas of what a sleeve hitch should be.

This year I am dealing with poor covering. If the soil is sandy/fine and dry it does fine. But let it get wet enough to be a little packy and this is what you get.

poor cover

With no covering "shoes" (no idea what they are really called) to gather the soil ahead of the wheel the wheel packs the soil that the opener dug out. With dry soil it will squeeze itto the center enough to cover. When it's damp it leaves the center of the track bare, right down to the bottom of the opener groove.

At first I though something had to be missing, but there is nothing shown on the exploded drawings to indicate there was ever anything included or offered.

I am working on cobbing up some sort of closers. The first attempt worked good but plugged with loose soil. I forgot to get pics of the hardware yesterday, maybe tomorrow. The crooked row is a blank and is crooked because I was walking beside the planter while the 140 found it's own way.

good cover

We had a little rain around daybreak so the soil was too damp. I tried a quick modification today and the plugging problem got worse. Next step will be to make the opener blades taller so there is more room for soil to flow under the attaching bar.
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Robb Kruger -This is my kinda place.
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 7:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan, some of the later Brinly planters had cloing blades that drew soil to the center, like the one pictured here. No idea if they worked any better.

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Michael Nelson
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Username: Highwayman
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Registered: 4-2009
Post Number: 254
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan,
Let me know how this goes and I will let you know how mine does. I get my Brinly back from the Powder Coater on Friday so I will be using it this coming weekend. My Brinly has the fertilizer accessory, but no row marker or the coverer that is mentioned in Robb's post above. Once I get it together I post pictures. Btw Alan do you have a corn plate for yours? I only have a sorghum plate and I'm looking for a corn plate to get copied at my local machine shop.

Michael
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Alan Nadeau
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Post Number: 1075
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 6:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike, I do have a corn plate, I'm pretty sure I bought it from Robb. There were a boatload of corn plates made for them but none seem to show up on the used parts circuit. I bought the planter at an auction in Maine, it had a peanut plate in it. Somehow I doubt that anyone grows peanuts in Maine.

There were two different styles of plate used in them, further complicating the availability issue. Mine uses a plate with about a 1 1/4" square hole for the drive spindle. The plates have a totally different contour so you can't modify the drive hole or make an adapter so style A would work in style B units.

The KK-200, which I think is the model mine is, came from the factory with three drive sprockets. Try finding those on the used market! I couldn't even find generic sprockets of that size (#25) detachable chain. Finally made my own in 12 and 16 tooth.
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Kenneth W Wyant
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 8:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan I do know that some other planters used a chain drug behind to help cover but I would not think it would help win it is wet.I believe if your planter has the square hole it is a KK- 100 and also I believe there are 3 types of plates the 3rd looks like the larger hole one's but is even larger. I think it is like the plates the cole planters are using now.A friend of mine has one of the newer ones that has the larger plates maybe I can get a pic of it today
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Alan Nadeau
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 7:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I made this closer first. This is the one that got the results shown in the second pic. Only problem was that there wasn't clearance for soil to pass through freely under some conditions.

first closer

That one clamped to the opener at mid-point, too close to the ground to get adequate clearance. The second one is made higher and clamps to the seed drop tube above the mid-point of the opener. It is also wider allowing more room beside the opener for soil to flow through.

second closer

I had to do a little trimming, the plates were too long and hit the wheel. After I used used it for a while the planter went diving for China. That's what happens when a small stone lodges between closer and wheel and jams it solid. A little more trimming to get better clearance there and it worked fine. May need to tweak it some if I use it in dry, sandy soil as it may cover way too deep under those conditions.
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Robb Kruger -This is my kinda place.
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Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 8:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan

Looks like a viable option. Any thought of making that accessory available to the rest of us?
Here are the plates that I know of.

KK100 style.



KK200 - KK350



I do not know the style of plates used by the later Cole KK-520 and Multi 12 planters... but I have heard that Cole may have plates available like the ones in the last photo.
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Matt Harbert
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Post Number: 176
Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you checked out the thread on JD 71 planters?

Toward the bottom is my planter and Deere "Covering Knives" which are spring loaded and pile dirt closer to the furrow for the wheel to cover. I think the important thing is to gather what soil you can easily, but not pile it in front of your covering wheel. The open design will not clog up if the knives collect too much dirt. If one was to collect too much it might stack a hill of dirt in front of the covering wheel causing the planter to raise, affecting the depth of your seed.

Just my thoughts, but there are 10 ways of accomplishing the same end result. I think you are doing a great job! Keep us posted!
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Alan Nadeau
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Post Number: 1077
Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 6:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Robb, I dug through my stack of Brinly papers and mine is the KK-100. I didn't get all that far into it but it appears the 100 and 200 share a lot of parts with the difference being primarily in the seed plates and related drive components.

I think this covering gadget will fit any of the planters that use a narrow cultivator shovel on the seed opener. I don't know what else it would fit or what would need to be changed to make it fit other models.
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Michael Nelson
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Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan,
Sounds like an accessory I might need too.
Robb,
Here is a picture of my sorghum seed plate.



Michael

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