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Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 6
| | Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 6:40 pm: | 
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my jd won't start i put a new battery today still won't go but it is trying the starter ties to turn and the motor shakes .The starter gets very hot wondering if the starter in cooked .would anyone know ?thanks |
Edward H. Lincoln
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Username: Ed_lincoln
Wa.
Registered: 7-2003
Post Number: 665
| | Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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Try turning the engine over with the sparkplug removed. Maybe something has happened to the ACR? |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 7
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 6:42 am: |
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Thanks ED i will try that .But sorry what is a ACR ? |
Ryan Slaback
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Username: Arnard
WI
Registered: 4-2006
Post Number: 67
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 6:46 am: |
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Automatic Compression Release |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 8
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 7:24 am: |
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I pulled the plug and it did the same thing it is just like the battery has no power so i boosted it is still the same not sure |
Stan Barnes
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Username: Stanb112
CT
Registered: 2-2002
Post Number: 564
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 8:20 am: |
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Victor, it sounds like a starter problem. I'd remove the stater and see if it turns freely by hand, could be an armature bearing is seized or binding. As you are removing it check the bolts for tightness and check the mount for bends or cracks. A mis-alinged starter can bind as it engages the flywheel. If everything appears to be OK clamp it in a vise and carefully jump it with a good battery. A good starter will instantly spin up to full speed (almost violently, so clamp it solidly) and coast for a few seconds after the power is removed. Stan |
Fred Dwyer
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Username: Freddwyercharterne
CT
Registered: 10-2005
Post Number: 101
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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Victor:
Could be your engine is seized. Can you turn it over by hand (pull the spark plug to eliminate any possibility of it firing while your fingers are in dangerous places)? If it turns freely, you have a starter problem. If it won't turn, you have an engine problem. |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 9
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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the engine is turning over it is just like i don't have enough power to turn the starter over fast enough turns real slow thats why i though it was the battery but i put a new one and it still the same but i will look at the starter . |
Will Atherton
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Username: Willin_in_nd
North Dakota 58344
Registered: 7-2005
Post Number: 720
| | Posted on Monday, August 07, 2006 - 9:03 pm: |
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There is always the possibility that you got a bad battery, too!
'Nuf said, Will in Lakota   |
Vinnie Hueber
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Username: Vinnie110
NY
Registered: 9-2004
Post Number: 159
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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Sounds like the bearings in the starter are shot and armature is binding on the field pieces. Have had several Chevy starters do this. See if a local electric motor shop can rebuild it for you. |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 10
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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Well i took the starter off and it ran fine on the bench then i put it back in the jd and the same thing happens i have a new battery in it i cleaned all the connections and still the same .you don't thing it would be the solenoid.my buddy thinks it is still the starter i'm not sure anymore |
Tom Bitterman
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Username: Jdcrazy
WI
Registered: 11-2004
Post Number: 273
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 4:53 am: |
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count the number of teeth on the starter gear, most JD had 10 tooth gears, if it has 13 teeth put a 1/16th in shim behind the mount and that should take care of it.
Tom |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 11
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 7:38 pm: |
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ya tom it only has ten teeth on it . i went from the battery pack to the starter on the bench it was ok put it back on the deere and under load it will not turn . so i'm thinking the starter in done . |
Tom Bitterman
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Username: Jdcrazy
WI
Registered: 11-2004
Post Number: 275
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 8:11 pm: |
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Hey victor, dont throw that starter away, You can get new brushes and make it work like new again. A new starter runs about $150.00 New brushes run $25.00-$30.00. Open her up and see what the brushes look like might be worth changing just them.
Good luck, Tom |
Fred Dwyer
Member
Username: Freddwyercharterne
CT
Registered: 10-2005
Post Number: 102
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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Victor:
You probably do have a starter that needs to be rebuilt, but before you come to that conclusion have you tried turning the engine over (with the plug removed) by hand? I can't see in any of your notes that you did this. It should turn very easily. If it doesn't, you've got bigger problems than a starter. If it does turn easily just run that starter down to your nearest auto electric shop and have it rebuilt. |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 12
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 5:25 am: |
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Fred i have tried to turn the engine over by hand and it turn ok .i called a jd dealer for a rebuilt kit and it was more the a new starter . |
Mark A. Miller
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Username: Monkey_business
IL
Registered: 6-2005
Post Number: 559
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Rebuilding the starter is NOT something I would have JD do. I would as suggested take to an electric shop. one that specializes in rewinding elec motors or an auto repair shop that REBUILDS starters, alternator/generators. If the engine is fine, I would suspect the starter motor to be failing, most common prob is brushes and bridged armature contacts. Take the starter to the shop and ask what a new set of brushes cost w and wo installing them. This should be NO MORE than $20, $50 installed, at the highest. BUT BEFORE ANYTHING... take to local Auto Zone or parts shop of choice near you, most can and will test for FREE you know. |
Victor Deschamps
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Username: Victo
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Registered: 5-2006
Post Number: 14
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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 well i worked on the starter it was it was almost new cleaned it all up put i9t back in and the same old thing happened .i looked around and it was the belt on the deck had jumped a sprocket and was jamming it up and my pto was not releasing but it is all working fine now .now what size of belt is needed on a 47 in deck ? again thanks everyone for your help great place to get info |
Fred Dwyer
Member
Username: Freddwyercharterne
CT
Registered: 10-2005
Post Number: 106
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 7:15 pm: |
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Victor:
That's why I urged you to turn the engine by hand, to see if something was binding it up. |
scott benjamine
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Username: Scotty
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Registered: 8-2006
Post Number: 11
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:30 pm: |
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victor,
primary belt is M47765
secondary, or blade to blade belt is M41960
scott. |
Jim Davidson jr.
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Username: Geaugajim
OH
Registered: 11-2003
Post Number: 3
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Bought a 212 lawn tractor in '78 and mowed lawn with it up until a few years ago. Replaced it with a F525. Now the 212 jumps out of 3rd & 4th. How much of a job is it to rebuild the transaxle? I had to replace the outboard axle bearing a couple years ago. Jim |
