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Edward A Cardinal
Member
Username: Ed_cardinal
NJ
Registered: 4-2004
Post Number: 648
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 1:19 pm: | 
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I have a few JD brake bands (brake shoes) for the gear-drive tractor transmission brake-wheels that need to be re-lined and I can't find anyone who does them anymore. NAPA here used to. JD wants a small fortune for a new one and those probably have been sitting on the shelf for 30 plus years and the glue is probably brittle and will come-apart right away. I am guessing a lot of other WFM'ers are probably having the same problem ? ANY help greatly appreciated. Thanks............Ed. |
Roger Henning
Member
Username: Woodpecker41
WI
Registered: 3-2002
Post Number: 4015
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:14 pm: |
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I have done it with brake lining I bought from McMaster Carr. The biggest problem was they don't sell lining thin enough. You have sand it to the right thickness. Glued it on with Liquid Nails construction adhesive. Clamped the band and new lining around a spare brake drum so it would dry in the correct shape. Let it dry for 30 days. I must confess this was for one of my Sears tractors but the process would be the same. Personally I would look for a used one as there are many around and this wasn't cheap to do. The only reason I did this was Sears parts don't exist. Roger |
Edward A Cardinal
Member
Username: Ed_cardinal
NJ
Registered: 4-2004
Post Number: 649
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:15 pm: |
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So far I checked and found a couple places on-line that still line them but they want over $60 and that is WITHOUT shipping ! I do have one that the lining is still good but has become unglued. I wonder if two-part epoxy would work for this application since I want to use it the next day and can't imagine it will get SUPER hot for a garden tractor application ? I bead-blasted the inside of the band so it has a nice rough surface.........Ed. |
DAVID A CALKINS
Member
Username: David_a_calkins
WA
Registered: 10-2008
Post Number: 497
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:20 pm: |
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ED this company dose this [metal frictions ][206] 364-8560 , 12551 26N.E Seattle Wa.98125 hope this helps . David |
Pete Anderson
Member
Username: Challenger
Maryland
Registered: 1-2010
Post Number: 32
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:56 pm: |
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I have a 216 with the band brake. Half of the lining has now broken off and is missing. As others have indicated the lining thickness, even when new, must be quite thin. Since the single brake is mainly a safety brake and gets limited use, I wonder if one could get by using something less than a commercial band lining. The old Model T transmissions used a cotton webbed material for their band linings. What about Kevlar material for the lining? Any other thoughts for substitute lining material. I suppose there will be some who will say that looking for alternatives on something like a brake lining is the equivalent of a suicidal wish, but there are no guarantees in life even with the standard band if the lining can separate and fall out without warning. |
Joe Loch
Member
Username: Jloch
oh
Registered: 12-2005
Post Number: 627
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 6:28 pm: |
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call a big truck clutch and brake shop. They usually stock many different types and thickness of linings. I purchased brake pad material for my 69, 140 from my local store. I also bought clutch lining material for manual PTO clutches from them,along with a two part epoxy that they said they use on many applications. In the spring I am going to try to re line the PTO clutch that I have on hand. They gave me a lot of tips on how to do the job. |
Edward A Cardinal
Member
Username: Ed_cardinal
NJ
Registered: 4-2004
Post Number: 651
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 6:35 am: |
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Well for now I found ONE good lining that I need to re-glue into the old band to get me going so I hope to find the right glue. Then I may get all my old bands together and have them done somewhere who is relatively inexpensive. David, I will give those guys a call!
Pete - I agree that the old cotton lining should work fine for this lightweight application.
Yes, the only problem is the lining is like .150" thick. Thanks.........Ed. |
stephen shiery
Member
Username: Sashiery
MO
Registered: 12-2006
Post Number: 1155
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 9:56 am: |
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Edward, construction adhesive like Liquid Nails will work. |
Warren Burke
Member
Username: Burke2w
TN
Registered: 6-2006
Post Number: 314
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 1:11 pm: |
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Edward... I did what Roger did. I found some brake lining material at a company in Chattanooga that re-lines big truck brakes, clutches, and does transmission work. I did have to sand/lightly grind down material close to the correct thickness. I used liquid nails. Got one on the 67 i refurbished and got a spare just in case. (so far, so good)
I think it cost 10.00 total for the brake material. |
Edward A Cardinal
Member
Username: Ed_cardinal
NJ
Registered: 4-2004
Post Number: 657
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 2:07 pm: |
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THAT'S what 'm talkin' 'bout! Spending $70 a brake band (with shipping) just don't make sense. I will try that first. Thanks......Ed. |
Gavin Forseth
Member
Username: Totallycustom
WA
Registered: 8-2008
Post Number: 37
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 7:44 pm: |
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What is the correct thickness for the lining material? |
Jim and Jo Broyles
Member
Username: Jimnjo
AR
Registered: 12-2007
Post Number: 177
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 11:20 am: |
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Don't laugh, but I relined the band on my 212 with a piece of leather and liquid nails. Been working great for a couple of years now.
Jim |
Pete Anderson
Member
Username: Challenger
Maryland
Registered: 1-2010
Post Number: 41
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 5:32 pm: |
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Jim Broyles,
I for one never laugh at ingenuity, I applaud it. I am one to always look around to see if there are ready available substitutes for a factory replacement. It sounds to me like you have found a satisfactory substitute. I plan to give it a try. After all the big concern is keeping metal away from metal. The circular band is a very efficient gripping design. Think of the strap wrench. There is plenty of leverage available with your foot to provide the necessary friction to stop the machine. Additionally, there should be few if any occasions when you need to overheat the lining through use. One thing for sure, you can't beat the price, even if you may need to reline a little more often than with the factory part. |
Edward A Cardinal
Member
Username: Ed_cardinal
NJ
Registered: 4-2004
Post Number: 668
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 7:52 pm: |
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I remember as a kid there was a real long steep hill by dad's house and I used to put his 212 in neutral and let it coast down the hill at like 50 miles an hour and then use the brake at the end ! I guess my brain was not quite developed then or something but the brake band held up to that (and my life)! Now I have the 212 ! Hopefully my kid will not be as dumb (or adventurous). |
