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Bob Thompson
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Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 89
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 9:50 pm: | 
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Jason Thanks for your info that is vary good news. So there would be less of these 69 color coded 140'S than any 140 patio. Did J D do this to the 110 112 and the 120 or just the 140? I doubt if anyone knows how many of them were coded. I saw on the register other 69's that were white coded and painted white but not many. Thanks Bob |
Jason Muth
Member
Username: Muthjd140
PA
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 14
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 8:52 pm: |
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bob, according to what i like to refer to as my j.d 140 bible, the last serial number of 1969 is 22,400.  i think that j.d did type code the end of the 69 140's. |
Adam Vaught
Member
Username: Adam_214
MO
Registered: 10-2009
Post Number: 64
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 8:11 pm: |
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Thanks everyone for the great insights! Adam |
jeff riechman
Member
Username: Jtriechman
GA
Registered: 4-2009
Post Number: 158
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 7:04 pm: |
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Nice ride Lowell!!!!!!!!!! Jeff |
Vinnie Hueber
Member
Username: Vinnie110
NY
Registered: 9-2004
Post Number: 984
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 4:48 pm: |
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Adam V, Our grounds dept uses quite a few foam filled tires to reduce the number of flats. The garage cuts the tires in half with a saw to get them off the rim, it is a bit of work. For the small tires on easy to get rims they replace the tire and rim, when you figure in the cost of labor it is cheaper to replace everything. Running foam filled tires on pavement wears them out quickly. |
Tom Maynard
Member
Username: Tmaynard
CT
Registered: 9-2009
Post Number: 42
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 4:30 pm: |
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Mike D.
The kit that I got looks like #31 in the JDParts Diagram. http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com.deere.u90490.partscatalog.view.servlets.PrintPageServlet?printParams=Illustration
The part number on the instruction book that was in the box is AM35852.
Thanks
-Tom |
Darrin Behm
Member
Username: Dirtweed
NY
Registered: 7-2006
Post Number: 849
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:46 pm: |
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Looks great Lowell! I'd love to have a pair of fenders like that on my Yellow 316!
D |
Mike Drew
Member
Username: Drew
WI
Registered: 4-2007
Post Number: 680
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:32 pm: |
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Tom M.,
Part # AM36001 is listed as the rear hydro kit on JDParts.com It's item 38.
The part # you listed, AM35852 does come back on file, so I'm not sure what you bought. |
ROY SCHROEDER
Member
Username: Ereed011
Wi
Registered: 4-2007
Post Number: 4525
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:27 pm: |
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Pretty neat Lowell, even if it isnt RED.Your pretty handy.
Roy |
Lowell Gates
Member
Username: Lgates110
MO
Registered: 11-2006
Post Number: 2241
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:03 pm: |
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I've got the 317 "Special" pretty well finished, still waiting on the 12" moon hub caps;
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Tom Maynard
Member
Username: Tmaynard
CT
Registered: 9-2009
Post Number: 41
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:02 pm: |
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I got an original rear hydraulic kit Part AM35852 yesterday for my 1968 140 H3. The kit is for the 140/300 series as it includes the 300 series mounting plate, it says it requires Part AM36001 to be installed on a 140, could someone please tell me what AM36001 would have included?
Thanks
-Tom |
Dale W. Vogel
Member
Username: Sandburr
IL
Registered: 3-2007
Post Number: 218
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 3:02 pm: |
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Bob Thompson,
Are you satisfied with the 140 ? I've seen some discussion on it from the weekend.
Dale |
JRL
Member
Username: Jlang
Registered: 1-2002
Post Number: 4919
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 1:13 pm: |
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Army, I have that same problem sometimes when I go shopping at TSC or Blain's F & F!  |
Gary Blackman Jr.
Member
Username: Geb63619
Michigan
Registered: 3-2004
Post Number: 761
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:17 pm: |
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Here are the pictures of Bobs 140 in question.
No doubt its a Patio tractor
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Alan Nadeau
Member
Username: Alan
VT
Registered: 1-2006
Post Number: 1015
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:03 pm: |
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Adam V, you can cut the tires off with a utility knife using soapy water for lube. I don't think the foam sticks to the tire or rim but I've never had to deal with that, yet.
As far as your throttle concern, if the manual says to run it full bore why do you feel compelled to question that? Mull this over for a while, WOT on these engines is 34-3600 RPM. Used to be, in the days before overdrive transmissions in almost every car and light truck, that cruise RPM was almost universally in the low 3,000 RPM range at 65 MPH. My '69 muscle car turned 3200 at 70 with 3.23 rear gears. If it had run 3.73 the cruise RPM would have been almost 3700.
Virtually all small engines are recommended to run at the governed maximum, usually 3600, when under load. Generators are a good example, if they don't have an auto-idle they live at WOT. I don't consider pulling a cart or other light chores as being "under load", so I throttle down for those applications. A mower deck loads the engine any time the PTO is engaged just from the air the blades has to move. A snowblower, especially a 2-stage does the same. I tiller in the ground REALLY loads the engine. |
Army
Member
Username: Army
ON
Registered: 6-2005
Post Number: 2985
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:32 am: |
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Mike.. the tractor is newer but that dirt looks vintage.
Army |
Steve Pace
Member
Username: Steven
In
Registered: 4-2005
Post Number: 431
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:11 am: |
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Mike.... Nice setup
Steve |
Mike Schiefelbein
Moderator
Username: Dlnw98
MN
Registered: 2-2002
Post Number: 690
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 11:02 pm: |
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It's not Vintage, but I couldn't resist- the weather in Minneapolis has been phenomenal this March. I was able to make the first pass through the garden today. Unreal!
(Message edited by dlnw98 on March 21, 2010) |
Kevin Clark
Member
Username: Slorider
IL
Registered: 9-2006
Post Number: 523
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 10:46 pm: |
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ADAM V = i would sawsall the tire off then try a sharp kitchen nife with some oil as lube. cut the fome straight down towards the hub then do it agian directly on the other side then pull the two pieces of foam off. that might work out for you |
Adam Vaught
Member
Username: Adam_214
MO
Registered: 10-2009
Post Number: 63
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 10:06 pm: |
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How difficult is it to remove the foam from the rims of foam filled tires? My 430 front tires are foam filled and the sidewalls are shot. I would like to replace the tires and keep these rims. Adam |
Jason Muth
Member
Username: Muthjd140
PA
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 12
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 7:31 pm: |
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army..i haven't, but i will round up all the pictures i have of this re-born 140 and you guys can follow along. |
Army
Member
Username: Army
ON
Registered: 6-2005
Post Number: 2984
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 7:16 pm: |
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Jason.. that's a very cool project. Did you start a thread for it in the hydro section yet? Us guys love lots of pics and info.
Army |
Jason Muth
Member
Username: Muthjd140
PA
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 11
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 6:50 pm: |
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With all this nice weather i can't wait to get this 69 140 out and about. i have a 3 point hitch and haban sickle bar for it also. First tractor show i am attending is in mid may. Things are coming together and i'm getting excited. |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 88
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 6:06 pm: |
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So the 140 has a type of T0584 that is a H3 White as far as I can tell by J D and the serial # of 022120 is a 1969 as far as I can tell. What are the chances of that. Could they at JD started coding some of the last 140 69 patio tractors white before they started the 70's patio run Bob 765 426 0772 |
Adam Vaught
Member
Username: Adam_214
MO
Registered: 10-2009
Post Number: 62
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 5:09 pm: |
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Thanks Stephen, that is my basic understanding. I still talk to a lot of guys who do not run their engines at full throttle while mowing, I just needed some conformation. What about pulling a cart ect? Adam |
stephen shiery
Member
Username: Sashiery
MO
Registered: 12-2006
Post Number: 1220
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 4:56 pm: |
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Adam, there are two reasons for using WOT while mowing. The first is the engine oiling and cooling, and that is important with the one-cylinder splash-lube engines. The second reason is to keep the blade speed up so the debris will be thrown/blown out the discharge chute. A more aggressive blade might make up for some of that but momentum is important.
On an engine with pressurized lubrication it would not be as critical for the engine to be at WOT. |
Adam Vaught
Member
Username: Adam_214
MO
Registered: 10-2009
Post Number: 61
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 4:51 pm: |
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This is a general question concerning all JD garden tractors, while mowing, do you run your engines full throttle? I understand that the one lunger engines without pressurized lubrication will get increased protection running full throttle. Does this mean that while pulling a cart or doing some blade work that you shouldn't run the engine at a lower RPM? I have read a few posts that talk about the incredible lugging ability of the 318 engines, does this mean that you are not hurting the engine by running it at a lower RPM. What about my 430, do you think that while mowing I should run the engine at full throttle? The owners manual says to. Thoughts.... Adam |
Army
Member
Username: Army
ON
Registered: 6-2005
Post Number: 2983
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 4:21 pm: |
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I went to TSC today to pick up some oil and left with a new yellow seat for a 400, 15 lbs of assorted bolts and nuts, a nifty red draw pin and a Cat 0 top link. After I got in my truck I realized I hadn't bought the oil and had to go back for it.
This is the exact same seat as I bought today. It's on another 400 I have. There are a lot fancier styles available but I like these. They're comfy and durable and only $75.
Army |
Scott Chaney
Member
Username: Aceinthehole
OH
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 5
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 3:42 pm: |
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Okay, I just did a little more searching and found my part number is for a 46" deck. (M00596X)
Scott |
Scott Chaney
Member
Username: Aceinthehole
OH
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 4
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 3:24 pm: |
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This might be a stupid question, but how do I determine what size mower deck I have? I was told it was a 46" when I bought it, but I just want to be sure it's not 48".
It looks to me like the deck belt is slightly too long or stretched and the idler is not putting sufficient tension on it. If I go to get a new belt I want to make sure I get the right one, IF there is a difference in the belt size...
Scott |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 87
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 9:09 am: |
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Hello All Mark I can send everyone pictures just ask, but I can't get them on WFM. On March the 7th it was listed on WFM for sale. Tom the serial # is 22120 there is no mistake it was white from the factory. Yes the tractor came from Momence Il. It also has behind the wheels where the brush missed it some grease pencil #'s on the paint from the factory. I will put that in a picture Monday if anyone wants that. Bob |
Dan
Member
Username: Baron22
MI.
Registered: 9-2009
Post Number: 4
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 7:30 am: |
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Well finally added my two 318s to the registry. Here are a couple pictures. The one with the FEL did have a 47" 2 stage blower and Kozy Cab but I removed until next winter. 
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ROY SCHROEDER
Member
Username: Ereed011
Wi
Registered: 4-2007
Post Number: 4508
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 6:04 am: |
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Tom, Bob has his number listed as 022120 on the 140.
Roy |
Will Eshbaugh
Member
Username: Ride_a_140
Pa
Registered: 3-2006
Post Number: 535
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 7:29 pm: |
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Its been my experience that its very hard to pull away from them when they tailgate you that close |
Scott Graser
Member
Username: Telescott
Oh
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 156
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 7:15 pm: |
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I think I will put the spare 870 hour P218 engine in it. I just have to figure out what I need to do to put the P218G in place of the B43G. Then again, I may have to try the $50 1991 P218G i bought a couple of weeks ago. |
Will Eshbaugh
Member
Username: Ride_a_140
Pa
Registered: 3-2006
Post Number: 534
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 7:09 pm: |
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Hey Scott ... looks like time for a repower and a plow .... nice clean looking unit there |
Scott Graser
Member
Username: Telescott
Oh
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 155
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 6:36 pm: |
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I was south of Columbus Ohio today on Rt33 and when I cleaned my rear window this is what I found.
I changed lanes and there it was again
Yea, I went Deere hunting today. Found a nice original 1986 318 with low hours. The tail lights & Hydro port caps are intact. It is missing the engine (was pulled by PO today). I didn't get a deck either.
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Tom Ramsay
Member
Username: The_rammer
ON
Registered: 1-2008
Post Number: 129
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 4:28 pm: |
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Bob,
The registry has that 140 listed; the owner is from Momence, IL. |
Tom Ramsay
Member
Username: The_rammer
ON
Registered: 1-2008
Post Number: 128
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 4:23 pm: |
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Bob, The WFM Registry says:
Here is the information about the Tractor T0584 022120
Model: 140
Typecode: T0584
Serial Number: 2212
Model Year: 1968
Engine Model and Size: K301 Kohler 12HP
Lift Type: Hydraulic 3 Lever
Paint: Green
Manufactured Location: Horicon, WI |
mark mann
Member
Username: Welder
NY
Registered: 8-2009
Post Number: 235
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 3:32 pm: |
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Pictures Bob, Pictures would be cool |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 86
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 2:51 pm: |
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JRL For the 110 or 112 It has a Hyd lift or what is left of a hyd. lift and a Tecumseh motor. It also has the flat wheels I don't know but they look like orig. and they are white under the yellow paint. What do you think? Bob |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 85
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 2:44 pm: |
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JRL Sorry the serial # on the 140 is T0584 022120 The 1 was a 0 TYPO Bob |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 84
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 2:41 pm: |
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JRL I looked at the #'s again and they are just what I said they are. No there are no mistakes. The 140s serials end at 22400 and mine is a 22120 so it would be one of the last 1969's made wouldn't it? The white paint under the fancy green brush paint job is pretty good. Wheels are perfect on the inside. Frame is great inside and behind the wheels. It is a patio. I and the serial # is for a 69 140 isn't it? Bob |
JRL
Member
Username: Jlang
Registered: 1-2002
Post Number: 4918
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 2:07 pm: |
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Bob, I coldn't get your SN 131282 to work either for the 112 patio, but I changed the 3 to an 8 (181282) and this is what I got.
Here is the information about the Tractor T0658181282M
Model: 112
Typecode: T0658
Serial Number: 181282
Model Year: 1970
Engine Model and Size: K241 Kohler 10HP
Lift Type: Hydraulic
Paint: White
Manufactured Location: Horicon, WI
Check to see if the 3 is really an 8.
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On the 14o something is incorrect there too as the serial numbers don't go that high on 140s.
Here is one in the registry I found that may be close to what you have.
140 1969 T0583 022141 K321 Kohler 14HP White
Maybe the first number in your sn is 0 instead of 1? also note the T0583 instead of the T0584
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Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 83
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 1:38 pm: |
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I have a 69 140 patio tractor that has a white coded type on the vin tag. The tag reads Type T0584 and the vin is 122120M I have been told that this is a rare tractor, made at the end of the 69 run and was a patio tractor that did get a type code of white just like the 70 and 71 patio 140's. When you look it up in the service manuel it also tells you it is a white 1969 tractor. Anyone have some helpful information for me. Bob 765 426 0772 |
Bob Thompson
Member
Username: Trailerman
In
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 82
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 1:29 pm: |
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Hello I am trying to run a vin. tag The type is T0658 and the serial # is 131282M Can't seem to get it to work. The type is for a patio tractor I think but nothing works. What am I doing wrong. Bob 765 426 0772 |
Mike Duwe
Member
Username: Mikeduwe
Wi
Registered: 10-2006
Post Number: 4042
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 9:59 am: |
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Scott, I thought I bought my 3pt sleeve hitch adaptor from Brinly for $94 plus shipping about 7 years ago.
Give them a call. |
JRL
Member
Username: Jlang
Registered: 1-2002
Post Number: 4916
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 8:00 am: |
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James Monk, I googled the FF/24 and came up with the owners manual for the tractor.
FF/24 Hydrodrive Garden Tractor 917.254830 (2/3/1981): 56 pages. Source 2 $6.70
Also I see one is listed for sale at auction today in NM! Carlsbad I believe. Let us know and take some photos! |
Steve Pace
Member
Username: Steven
In
Registered: 4-2005
Post Number: 429
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 10:48 pm: |
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Steve and Adam, All looks good! ... Been plowing here and that's kool. We need a disc here now............ |
Adam Vaught
Member
Username: Adam_214
MO
Registered: 10-2009
Post Number: 58
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 10:23 pm: |
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I picked up a model 10 cart the other day. Looks good behind my 214! Adam |
James Monk
Member
Username: Jmonk
NM
Registered: 3-2007
Post Number: 96
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 9:55 pm: |
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this is off topic but I have been doing some searching on the internet with no luck. There is a craftsman FF/24 near me. It has a 3 point, rear PTO and FEL. Is there any place I can find more info on this model? I read they were built to compete with the Deere 400, and about the same size. Does anyone what RPM the rear PTO is?
Does it have power steering?
any info would be great.
thanks
Jim |
Will Eshbaugh
Member
Username: Ride_a_140
Pa
Registered: 3-2006
Post Number: 531
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 7:55 pm: |
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Steve it is open frame .... not open rear !!!
nice tractors .... bring em to plowday |
JRL
Member
Username: Jlang
Registered: 1-2002
Post Number: 4915
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 6:37 pm: |
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Steve, that's a nice pair of tractors you have there! Nice going! |
Steve Adams
Member
Username: Flyrod43050
ohio
Registered: 6-2007
Post Number: 189
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 5:44 pm: |
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Here is a couple more pics of the 300 that we were all trying for a couple weeks ago.
The deck is out for sandblasting.
And here is the 316 Open rear that I picked up today.
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Scott Chaney
Member
Username: Aceinthehole
OH
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 3
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 5:27 pm: |
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As far as installation tips, I went to their website and looked at their pic a couple times. I wasn't sure which way to mount the bottom pivots, up or down and the picture cleared that up for me (up). The directions they send are text-only. It would be nice if they had a diagram, but the rest is pretty straightforward.
Scott |
Scott Graser
Member
Username: Telescott
Oh
Registered: 11-2008
Post Number: 154
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 5:19 pm: |
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Scott,
Did you take pictures when you put the Ruegg 3 point on? I am going to pick up a 318 on Saturday and may want to get a 3 point for it. Any installation tips that you can pass on?
Scott |
Scott Chaney
Member
Username: Aceinthehole
OH
Registered: 3-2010
Post Number: 2
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 4:53 pm: |
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Well I got my new Ruegg 3-point installed on the 318 yesterday. Easy to install and high quality! Thanks everyone for the input on my purchase!
Now I am looking for a 3-point to sleeve adapter. Seems like there are none available on ebay (for less than $150). Does anyone have one for sale or know where I could get one for say....less than $100?
Scott |
Robert Troll
Member
Username: Roberttroll
MA
Registered: 9-2006
Post Number: 351
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 3:15 pm: |
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Mike -
And they are always in the wrong part of the country!
I would love to be able to find a 332 or 655 like that around here. |
Mike Duwe
Member
Username: Mikeduwe
Wi
Registered: 10-2006
Post Number: 4038
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 1:12 pm: |
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Holy 332's for sale in the for sale section Batman! |
Kenneth Dortch
Member
Username: Kdursus
Registered: 8-2005
Post Number: 879
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 12:06 pm: |
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Dennis Stark – Since it doesn't seem like anyone really wanted to answer your question regarding the link you provided and comment I'll make an attempt. I'll start out by saying any type of tire for whatever purpose or application i.e. truck, car, tractor etc. are like shoes it's all about personal preference and you'll get a million an one reasons why you should buy this tire over that tire. The tire shown in your link resembles what Carlisle Tires manufactured which where called Super Lugs. I think, if I understand correctly, Carlisle Tires no longer manufactures the Super Lug tire design in a 23 x 850, 1050, - 12 sizes? Knowing little about the manufacture Nanco the price seems to be fair now the question becomes is the tire of quality construction. As for the lug design; I never cared for the Super Lug design like those in the link you provided because the lugs are too far apart which for me would make for a rough ride even on semi soft terrain. Moreover, the design never really appealed to me – the bars are spaced too far apart to really make the tire look esthetically correct.
I can sure understand where you're coming from by asking such a question but in the end the decision to purchase or not is yours.
Kenneth |
